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Re: Need more help with 97 vs 800 battery?

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 5:52 pm
by hillsy v2
Unplug the pump electric connector and see if you are getting power to the pump. There is a relay that often goes bad which will cut power to the pump.

The pump should click / try to work without gas.

Re: Need more help with 97 vs 800 battery?

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2023 8:31 am
by navigator
hillsy v2 wrote:
Tue Jun 20, 2023 5:52 pm
Unplug the pump electric connector and see if you are getting power to the pump. There is a relay that often goes bad which will cut power to the pump.

The pump should click / try to work without gas.
As stated check for power.
IIRC the 800 pump has an internal relay.
The 800 pump only operates during cranking or if the engine is running. It will not run with just the key on.
To check for flow, you can hook the pump up to the tank (or alternate source) and disconnect the hose from the outlet to the rear carb.
Install a new hose to the outlet and run it to an empty gas can. When the bike is cranked with the starter, gas should flow out of the outlet hose.

Re: Need more help with 97 vs 800 battery?

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 11:59 am
by Georgey
navigator wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2023 8:31 am
hillsy v2 wrote:
Tue Jun 20, 2023 5:52 pm
Unplug the pump electric connector and see if you are getting power to the pump. There is a relay that often goes bad which will cut power to the pump.

The pump should click / try to work without gas.
As stated check for power.
IIRC the 800 pump has an internal relay.
The 800 pump only operates during cranking or if the engine is running. It will not run with just the key on.
To check for flow, you can hook the pump up to the tank (or alternate source) and disconnect the hose from the outlet to the rear carb.
Install a new hose to the outlet and run it to an empty gas can. When the bike is cranked with the starter, gas should flow out of the outlet hose.

So attached the tank, put 2 gallons in it and disconnected the hose to the carb and connected fuel pump to a gas can — and no fuel coming out. So new fuel pump needed, right? Any recommendations where to buy (if this is true deed the case)? I’ve seen a new aftermarket one on eBay for $80.

Re: Need more help with 97 vs 800 battery?

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 12:16 pm
by sgtcall
Georgey wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2023 11:59 am

So attached the tank, put 2 gallons in it and disconnected the hose to the carb and connected fuel pump to a gas can — and no fuel coming out. So new fuel pump needed, right? Any recommendations where to buy (if this is true deed the case)? I’ve seen a new aftermarket one on eBay for $80.

https://www.amazon.com/labwork-Motorcyc ... 572&sr=8-3

Re: Need more help with 97 vs 800 battery?

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 12:18 pm
by Georgey
I just checked - the fuel pump I’m using (that doesn’t seem to be working) I bought off Amazon for $31 in November 2021

Re: Need more help with 97 vs 800 battery?

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 12:19 pm
by Georgey
sgtcall wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2023 12:16 pm
Georgey wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2023 11:59 am

So attached the tank, put 2 gallons in it and disconnected the hose to the carb and connected fuel pump to a gas can — and no fuel coming out. So new fuel pump needed, right? Any recommendations where to buy (if this is true deed the case)? I’ve seen a new aftermarket one on eBay for $80.

https://www.amazon.com/labwork-Motorcyc ... 572&sr=8-3

That’s the one I bought - I don’t think it worked for me- have you ever bought one? Maybe I got a bad one?

Re: Need more help with 97 vs 800 battery?

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 1:45 pm
by sgtcall
Georgey wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2023 12:19 pm
sgtcall wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2023 12:16 pm
Georgey wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2023 11:59 am

So attached the tank, put 2 gallons in it and disconnected the hose to the carb and connected fuel pump to a gas can — and no fuel coming out. So new fuel pump needed, right? Any recommendations where to buy (if this is true deed the case)? I’ve seen a new aftermarket one on eBay for $80.

https://www.amazon.com/labwork-Motorcyc ... 572&sr=8-3

That’s the one I bought - I don’t think it worked for me- have you ever bought one? Maybe I got a bad one?
I had a VS1400 not the VS800, the fuel pump I bought was just a cheap Chinese made one that worked fine for several years.
I think this is the brand I bought but am not sure. It did take a little creative bending of the fuel lines to make it fit right.

https://www.amazon.com/BLUE-ELF-Premium ... 73&sr=8-14

Re: Need more help with 97 vs 800 battery?

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 1:55 pm
by Georgey
Lol - I think I originally bought one like this but returned it because I didn’t want to do the “creative bending”

I guess is the point that we’re (or I’m) basically stuck with the cheap Chinese ones or the $200+ NOS I can get at Ron Ayers or $80 one on eBay? And just hope for the best?

Re: Need more help with 97 vs 800 battery?

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 2:15 pm
by navigator
Georgey wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2023 11:59 am
navigator wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2023 8:31 am
hillsy v2 wrote:
Tue Jun 20, 2023 5:52 pm
Unplug the pump electric connector and see if you are getting power to the pump. There is a relay that often goes bad which will cut power to the pump.

The pump should click / try to work without gas.
As stated check for power.
IIRC the 800 pump has an internal relay.
The 800 pump only operates during cranking or if the engine is running. It will not run with just the key on.
To check for flow, you can hook the pump up to the tank (or alternate source) and disconnect the hose from the outlet to the rear carb.
Install a new hose to the outlet and run it to an empty gas can. When the bike is cranked with the starter, gas should flow out of the outlet hose.

So attached the tank, put 2 gallons in it and disconnected the hose to the carb and connected fuel pump to a gas can — and no fuel coming out. So new fuel pump needed, right? Any recommendations where to buy (if this is true deed the case)? I’ve seen a new aftermarket one on eBay for $80.
During this exercise, did you have the petcock open?
Did you crank the starter, as if to start the bike?

Re: Need more help with 97 vs 800 battery?

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 2:18 pm
by navigator
Do you have power to the pump?
Check your fuses.

Re: Need more help with 97 vs 800 battery?

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 3:43 pm
by Georgey
navigator wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2023 2:18 pm
Do you have power to the pump?
Check your fuses.
I didn’t check the fuses - but lights were on and it was cranking - I will check in a few - and yes, tried to start it and it was cranking and petcock was open

Re: Need more help with 97 vs 800 battery?

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 4:01 pm
by Georgey
Fuses are all ok

Re: Need more help with 97 vs 800 battery?

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 4:02 pm
by navigator
Put a test light or meter on the pump feed wires.

Re: Need more help with 97 vs 800 battery?

Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 9:03 pm
by Lechy
Take the pump power feed from the orange/white wire at the CDI. This will allow the pump to operate off the ignition direct.

Re: Need more help with 97 vs 800 battery?

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:51 pm
by Georgey
Ok - so I ended up buying a new fuel pump for $20 on eBay and as soon as I connected it and turned on the bike it was tapping/vibrating like it was having a heart attack- just like the video!!!

So it turns out all this time I just bought a bad fuel pump in the beginning, and never realized it.

Learned a lot and hope to remember- Thanks for all your help guys!

Re: Need more help with 97 vs 800 battery?

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:52 pm
by Georgey
hillsy v2 wrote:
Sun Jun 18, 2023 8:10 pm
Georgey wrote:
Sun Jun 18, 2023 7:16 pm

What’s the sound of the fuel pump?
The fuel pump will tick / buzz.

I couldn't find a direct video but in this one at about the one minute marked he fires it up.

This video was so helpful thanks

Re: Need more help with 97 vs 800 battery?

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:10 pm
by hillsy v2
Georgey wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:52 pm
hillsy v2 wrote:
Sun Jun 18, 2023 8:10 pm
Georgey wrote:
Sun Jun 18, 2023 7:16 pm

What’s the sound of the fuel pump?
The fuel pump will tick / buzz.

I couldn't find a direct video but in this one at about the one minute marked he fires it up.

This video was so helpful thanks
:ShitGrinandThumb:

Re: Need more help with 97 vs 800 battery?

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 9:03 am
by navigator
Fuel pumps are just one of the many things made by man.
If it's made by man it's bound to fail.

Re: Need more help with 97 vs 800 battery?

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:09 pm
by Herb
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