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hillsy wrote:

Tbeck wrote:hillsy, what kind of kid's and zoo do you think school's have? Wrestle a teacher to take their carry? There are some ignorant students, but that's way out there. Maybe kids in your neck of the world are that disrespectful, not in any school I have been in here.

Tim, surely you can't tell me you never seen kids attacking teachers? It happens everywhere to varying degrees of severity.

Really, all you have to do is google it and there's a gazillion examples right there. My neighbour spent 10 years teaching at a government school and can tell you stories that would make your jaw drop. And he's an ex cop. Putting guns in the classroom is just a time bomb.

Designer wrote:

hillsy wrote:

Tbeck wrote:hillsy, what kind of kid's and zoo do you think school's have? Wrestle a teacher to take their carry? There are some ignorant students, but that's way out there. Maybe kids in your neck of the world are that disrespectful, not in any school I have been in here.

Tim, surely you can't tell me you never seen kids attacking teachers? It happens everywhere to varying degrees of severity.

Really, all you have to do is google it and there's a gazillion examples right there. My neighbour spent 10 years teaching at a government school and can tell you stories that would make your jaw drop. And he's an ex cop. Putting guns in the classroom is just a time bomb.

You suffer from the unrealistic concept that any solution will be a "zero sum" fix.

ANY steps taken will NEVER result in ZERO deaths. Your Utopian and Overly-Idealistic "notions" are just too "Black-And-White" when held up to THE REAL WORLD.

What Tim says about Arming Teachers IS A REALISTIC Step in the Right direction....likely to save FAR MORE LIVES than the "time bomb" you suggest it is and would would threaten.

Fred wrote:Hey ---I got a wild Idea. Why not make guns really really difficult to buy until no one has one anymore and then no one will get shot,----na thats no good is it ---too simple.

RoadKing wrote:Beat you to it, dimwit.

RoadKing wrote:Well then let the kids pack to protect themselves and be done with it!

This shooting thing will solve itself in time. Time civilizes nations. The US just needs more time to civilize itself. It is a young country, which was created by guns and violence in recent history.

The European view is that the violence we see in the US (just how many times does Tom Cruise need to be smashed in the face to fall down in any US movie - totally unrealistic violence) is a cultural norm created by your inherently violent history.

I have met US citizens who can recall their grand fathers stories about the shoot outs in the local bars. Disputes settled by guns. Europeans don't have that history in their psyche. You have to work through this.

It will take time for the US to reach the degree of civilization that this level of gun ownership and crime becomes totally unacceptable - maybe 50 to 100 years. At about that time, the country will be civilized enough to take care of it's citizen's health too.

So we can understand why this happens in the US and time will solve this problem.

Fred wrote:

RoadKing wrote:Beat you to it, dimwit.

If I lived next door to you I would put my house up for sale.

hillsy wrote:

RoadKing wrote:Well then let the kids pack to protect themselves and be done with it!

And you think you are bordering on genius?

hillsy wrote:Here's the reality - there's a percentage of teachers that get attacked / assaulted by students. Put a gun on those teachers and either they will be tempted to use it on the students or it will get taken off the teacher and used against them / other students. Only has to happen once and the whole idea becomes a really fucking bad one...It really is that simple and that stupid to consider arming teachers inside classrooms.

You suffer from the unrealistic concept that any solution will be a "zero sum" fix.

ANY steps taken will NEVER result in ZERO deaths. Your Utopian and Overly-Idealistic "notions" are just too "Black-And-White" when held up to THE REAL WORLD.

What Tim says about Arming Teachers IS A REALISTIC Step in the Right direction....likely to save FAR MORE LIVES than the "time bomb" you suggest it is and would would threaten.

Designer wrote: Your ASS-umptive idea of what "reality" is totally overlooks what I just said.

hillsy wrote: t has no parallel to the real world.

Travlin wrote:

hillsy wrote: t has no parallel to the real world.

It must not be all that bad since everybody and their uncle, third removed, wants to come here. It's just too bad now they want to turn it into the same kind of shithole they came from.Come on over for a holiday in Dearborn Michigan.