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Spot On there Herb! :space: These sucking things are a joke,...and here we see just HOW MUCH of a joke they are! :lmao:


How to lose billions on EVs
By Mike McDaniel May 11, 2024

Senator Sam Ervin said: “A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon you’re talking real money.” Our federal government has been talking trillions for some time now, but the Mummified Meat Puppet Administration’s (MMPA) push for electric vehicles has EV manufacturers talking, and losing, billions.
MMPA mouthpieces like Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg and Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm assure us EVs are the future and they’re pushing unconstitutional, unrealizable regulations to force that future down our throats. Unfortunately for them, economic reality is intruding, and Ford provides a disturbing example:

The recent figures are part of a trend of loss for Ford, with their Model e reporting a full-year EBIT loss of $4.7 billion on the sale of 116,000 units. This is an average loss of $40,525 per vehicle — and even that is just a third of the per-vehicle loss seen in the first three months of 2024. :space: Ford announced months ago it was cutting EV production in half. :rock: :space:

It took them well over a year, and a $4.7 billion dollar loss—I suspect it’s more—to finally, barely, acknowledge their fiscal responsibilities to their shareholders. What company can afford to sustain those kinds of losses, regardless of their fealty to the MMPA and it’s socialist/communist policies? It would now seem likely Ford is going to have to do more than halve their EV production:

Ford announced earlier this month [April] that the company will delay producing two new electric models, opting for hybrid vehicles instead.
The old aphorism “what can’t go on won’t go on” applies. Ford has possibly, belatedly, realized EVs aren’t going to be the future. As the average EV costs more than $60,000, they’re too expensive for most Americans. The wealthy who buy EVs as greenie street cred have already bought all they want, depleting the market, and the EV charging doom loop is eternal. Without a massive charging network across the country, widespread EV ownership is impossible. But without widespread EV ownership there’s no reason, financial or practical, to build chargers. Neither EVs nor chargers are profitable without huge government subsidies, in effect, forcing people who don’t want and can’t afford EVs to subsidize them for the virtue-signaling wealthy.

Driving the doom loop are wind and solar mandates, which include forcing the closure of reliable coal and natural gas electric generation plants, with no plans to replace them with anything reliable. We don’t have enough generation capacity now, and should the public be forced into EVs, that problem will dramatically, immediately worsen, forcing rolling blackouts across America.

But let’s return to Ford and see how 2024 is shaping up:
Ford Motor Company reported a whopping $132,000 loss on each electric vehicle (EV) sold during the first three months of 2024, amassing a $1.3 billion loss. That’s far more than the MSRP for those vehicles, and much, much more than Ford’s production costs.

The revenue for Ford’s EV car, the Model e, plunged by 84 percent to about $100 million, which the company blamed on EV price cuts across the auto industry.

“That resulted in the $1.3 billion loss before interest and taxes (EBIT), and the massive per-vehicle loss in the Model e unit,” the publication noted.
Adding to the doom loop is customer’s realization that when Ford no longer produces any EV models, such as the electric Mustang or the electric F-150, parts supplies are going to dry up, and resale value will quickly drop into negative numbers. There will be no used EV market. Unfortunate EV owners will have to pay people to take their worthless EVs off their hands.

But other than all that, sure. EVs are the future—in some other, self-imagined elite constructed, reality.
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Oh!,...just look at what is said about over-the Road trucking if it goes stupid;


Transitioning Fleet Trucks to Electric Raises Costs Up to 114 Percent, Report Warns
Mandating EV trucks in today’s market leads to even ‘more supply chain disruptions,’ said an industry expert.

By Naveen Athrappully 5/11/2024

Transitioning conventional truck fleets to electric vehicles pushes up annual operational costs, which subsequently increases economic inflation, warned a recent report from transportation and logistics firm Ryder.

Florida-based Ryder analyzed the cost of transportation if internal combustion engine (ICE) trucks are converted to EVs. There was a five percent cost increase for light-duty EVs, which jumps to 94–114 percent for heavy-duty trucks, the May 8 report said. For a fleet of 25 mixed vehicles—light, medium, and heavy-duty trucks—costs surge by 56–67 percent.

As transportation costs have a direct bearing on the price of goods sold in markets across the country, Ryder estimates such increases to eventually add around 0.5-1 percent to overall price inflation in the economy.
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Ryder noted there were 16.4 million Class 3 to Class 8 commercial vehicles in operation in the United States, out of which only an estimated 18,000 EVs have been deployed. “Therefore, if companies are required to convert to EVs in the near future, availability and production of EVs may be far less than the vehicles needed to run America’s supply chains.”
The report pointed to a statement made by Clean Freight Coalition (CFC) that there is currently no network in the United States where truck drivers can take rest breaks and charge their EV batteries at the same time.

CFC estimates that electrifying America’s current commercial vehicle fleet would necessitate a $1 trillion investment.
Despite Plummeting Electric Vehicle Sales, Biden Administration Will Not Change EV Policy: Jean-Pierre

Moreover, the International Council on Clean Transportation calculates that almost 700,000 chargers will be required to accommodate the one million Class 4, 6, and 8 electric trucks expected to be deployed by 2030. This alone will consume 140,000 megawatts of electricity per day, which is equivalent to the daily electricity needs of roughly five million American homes.

As part of the program, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) will offer $1 billion from the Inflation Reduction Act to cities and states “to replace Class 6 and Class 7 heavy-duty vehicles—which include school buses, trash trucks, and delivery trucks—with zero-emissions vehicles,” the White House said.

A recent report from consulting firm Roland Berger noted that full electrification of the U.S. commercial truck fleet would be an expensive affair. The cost of new electric trucks is twice or three times more expensive than their diesel equivalents. A diesel Class 8 truck costs about $180,000, and a battery-electric truck over $400,000.


While the company incorporated some EVs in its fleet, “increased vehicle weight from the batteries reduced our payload and limited our usage of haul. These limitations have impacted the company’s timeline on how and when to transition to ZEV.”

He pointed out that a truck driver can refuel a new diesel truck within 15 minutes for a journey of up to 1,200 miles. However, charging an EV truck for two hours only provides a range of around 200 miles.
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Higher minimum wage laws, stupid mandates, lack of infrastructure and much more from the left is destroying this country.
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Here is a TOTALLY different aspect of the EVs. Never would have thought about it but the article makes sense.

https://www.westernjournal.com/drivers- ... rn-journal

...“A lot of motion sickness, honestly, is because of the driver.”

He said abrupt acceleration and braking wreaks havoc with riders.

“It can cause some people to get sick,” he said, adding, “Strong regenerative braking, which recaptures max energy, can cause motion sickness. There is a learning curve to lifting off the accelerator in an EV … you have to modulate it.”

Matt Farah, editor-at-large for Road & Track, said the combination of factors spells trouble.

“The way an EV motor delivers power — and the absence of sound — are what make you feel dizzy going fast in one,” he said.

Sound is an important cue for passengers, according to a 2020 study published in Science Direct by Vrije University in the Netherlands.

“Being able to anticipate upcoming motion is known to potentially mitigate sickness resulting from provocative motion,” the study said.

“Average illness ratings were significantly lower for the condition that contained informative auditory cues, as compared to the condition without informative cues. This knowledge, i.e. that auditory signals can improve anticipation to motion, could be of importance in reducing carsickness in domains such as that of autonomous vehicles,” the study said....

...Although it is far from science, an Instagram poster calling herself livingwellwithelle insisted she had multiple symptoms linked to her EV.

“Fatigue was the first symptom and it got worse over time,” she posted, alleging that shoulder and neck pain, nosebleeds, nausea and even hair loss took place during the time she owned a Tesla.

“Disclaimer: Am I sure the car caused these symptoms? I’m not 100% sure of anything. Is it likely? Our symptoms are gone after selling it 5 months ago,” she wrote.
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Now that's not anything I've heard before Herb. good find there.

To add to this,...here's more about these evs;

How to lose billions on EVs
By Mike McDaniel May 11, 2024

Senator Sam Ervin said: “A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon you’re talking real money.” Our federal government has been talking trillions for some time now, but the Mummified Meat Puppet Administration’s (MMPA) push for electric vehicles has EV manufacturers talking, and losing, billions.
MMPA mouthpieces like Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg and Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm assure us EVs are the future and they’re pushing unconstitutional, unrealizable regulations to force that future down our throats. Unfortunately for them, economic reality is intruding, and Ford provides a disturbing example:


The recent figures are part of a trend of loss for Ford, with their Model e reporting a full-year EBIT loss of $4.7 billion on the sale of 116,000 units. This is an average loss of $40,525 per vehicle — and even that is just a third of the per-vehicle loss seen in the first three months of 2024.

Ford announced months ago it was cutting EV production in half. It took them well over a year, and a $4.7 billion dollar loss—I suspect it’s more—to finally, barely, acknowledge their fiscal responsibilities to their shareholders.

The old aphorism “what can’t go on won’t go on” applies. Ford has possibly, belatedly, realized EVs aren’t going to be the future. As the average EV costs more than $60,000, they’re too expensive for most Americans. The wealthy who buy EVs as greenie street cred have already bought all they want, depleting the market, and the EV charging doom loop is eternal. Without a massive charging network across the country, widespread EV ownership is impossible. But without widespread EV ownership there’s no reason, financial or practical, to build chargers. Neither EVs nor chargers are profitable without huge government subsidies, in effect, forcing people who don’t want and can’t afford EVs to subsidize them for the virtue-signaling wealthy.


But let’s return to Ford and see how 2024 is shaping up:

Ford Motor Company reported a whopping $132,000 loss on each electric vehicle (EV) sold during the first three months of 2024, amassing a $1.3 billion loss.

That’s far more than the MSRP for those vehicles, and much, much more than Ford’s production costs.

The revenue for Ford’s EV car, the Model e, plunged by 84 percent to about $100 million, which the company blamed on EV price cuts across the auto industry.

“That resulted in the $1.3 billion loss before interest and taxes (EBIT), and the massive per-vehicle loss in the Model e unit,” the publication noted.
Adding to the doom loop is customer’s realization that when Ford no longer produces any EV models, such as the electric Mustang or the electric F-150, parts supplies are going to dry up, and resale value will quickly drop into negative numbers. There will be no used EV market. Unfortunate EV owners will have to pay people to take their worthless EVs off their hands.


But other than all that, sure. EVs are the future—in some other, self-imagined elite constructed, reality.
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And here is another problem with the charging station infrastructure...

Maybe an armed guard and charge even more for the juice???

https://renewedright.com/gavin-newsom-w ... 8A#gf_2170

...Copper thieves have been targeting public charging stations in major cities across the country.

While most charging stations eventually get repaired, some companies just throw in the towel after repeated thefts.

Electrify America – a Volkswagen subsidiary that operates public fast charging stations – has given up replacing them if they get hit repeatedly.

“Electrify America noticed that this phenomenon has become particularly bad lately. So, instead of figuring out what can be done to stop thieves, it has simply given up. The VW-owned entity won’t repair the chargers affected by recurring vandalism,” Autoevolution reported.

Copper thieves in Houston, Texas, stole 18 of the 19 cables from a Tesla charging station.

“I mean, I love my EV but the anxiety of running out of juice,” Tesla owner Vincent Evangelista said while charging at the lone station.

“Yeah, I’d be pretty upset about that,” Alex Longo said at a stop in House on his way to San Antonio. “I would have been in trouble.”...
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And the harsh reality of pushing this crap cannot be denied.... :rock: :clap:


Luxury Electric Vehicle Maker Becomes Latest In Industry To Announce Layoffs
WILL KESSLER May 24, 2024

Electric vehicle (EV) maker Lucid Motors announced that the company would be laying off staff in a bid to lower expenses amid a slowdown in the market.

The layoffs will affect 6% of its workforce, equating to around 400 employees, and will trim from all employee levels, including leadership and mid-level management, according to a filing submitted Friday with the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC). Lucid is one of several EV makers to announce layoffs in recent months as consumers decline to adopt the product at the rate expected.

The company estimates that it will have to pay out between $21 million and $25 million in severance pay and benefits in connection with the layoffs, according to the filing. The planned terminations are expected to be done by the end of the third quarter.

Growth in EV sales slowed in the first quarter of 2024 as consumers decline to adopt the product, leading to a drop in market share compared to traditional vehicles, declining from 7.6% to 7.1%. EV sales grew just 2.7% in the quarter compared to the 47% growth seen as a whole last year.
The world’s largest EV maker, Tesla, announced in April that it would be laying off more than 10% of its workforce of over 140,000 employees following slower-than-expected global deliveries in the first quarter.

EV maker Rivian also announced in April that it would be laying off 1% of its workforce after previously announcing that it would be cutting 10% of the company’s staff. Rivian cut 6% of staff in 2023 and another 6% in July 2022.

Other automakers have had to push back their EV production targets due to the slowdown in the growth of market demand, including Bentley, General Motors, Ford, Mercedes-Benz and Honda.
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AFTER THE NOVELTY OF AN ELECTRIC CAR WEARS AWAY AND THE INCONVENIENCE OF REFILLING ELECTRONS,

PEOPLE REALIZE THE " GREEN " IS BULL AND GAS PUMPS RULE. AND THE CARS WERE AN EXPENSIVE EXPERIMENT
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Spot On there Harris! what you say is becoming SO obvious that even leftists in The Media are seeing it;


CBS’s Margaret Brennan Laughs in Buttigieg’s Face When He Is Unable to Explain Why Only 7 or 8 Charging Stations Have Been Built
By Cristina Laila May. 26, 2024

CBS’s “Face The Nation” host Margaret Brennan shocked Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg on Sunday when she actually pushed back and said Trump was right about Biden’s insane electric vehicle mandate. Margaret Brennan played a clip for Pete Buttigieg of President Trump slamming Biden’s insane electric vehicle mandate during his massive rally in New Jersey

“We’re spending hundreds of billions of dollars subsidizing a car that nobody wants!” Trump said.

Trump is correct.

In 2021, the Democrat-controlled Congress gave Joe Biden $7.5 billion to install electric vehicle chargers all over the country and only 7 or 8 EV charging stations have been built. It’s a total scam. According to 2021 analysis from the New York Times, $1.2 trillion of the ‘Infrastructure’ bill would be spent over 8 years and $550 billion will go to roads, bridges, rail lines, electric vehicles, water systems and other programs.

Electric vehicles are unpopular, expensive and bad for the environment but the Biden Regime is going into overdrive to force car companies to produce more EVs while they crack down on gas-powered vehicle tailpipe emissions.

“He’s not wrong,” Margaret Brennan said of Trump’s statement slamming the wasteful EV mandate.

“Oh, he’s wrong,” Pete Buttigieg said.

Margaret Brennan actually pushed back and said, “He’s not.”

Buttigieg’s mouth dropped as Margaret Brennan rattled off facts about how unpopular electric vehicles are.

WATCH:


Buttigieg failed to explain why the US government has only built 7 charging stations in three years with a multi-billion dollar budget.
Margaret Brennan laughed at Buttigieg, “7 or 8 though?”

WATCH:
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I don't know about other areas but CA has a number of charging stations that have had the cables stolen so many times that they are no longer replacing the cables.

Can you imagine pulling up to a gas station and the hose is missing???? I have seen pumps inoperative but not because the hose was stolen.
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YESSSS! :rock:


EV Company Fisker Lays Off Hundreds in Desperate Bid to Stay Afloat

LUCAS NOLAN30 May 2024

Electric vehicle startup Fisker has recently laid off hundreds of employees as it grapples with financial challenges and seeks potential funding, a buyout, or prepares for bankruptcy.

TechCrunch reports that in a desperate attempt to stay afloat, struggling EV startup Fisker has resorted to mass layoffs, cutting hundreds of jobs in a bid to survive its current financial crisis. The company, known for its sole product, the Ocean SUV, has been searching for funding, a potential buyout, or preparing for the possibility of bankruptcy.

Suspicions of impending layoffs arose when Fisker instructed all employees to work from home on Wednesday, a move that deviated from the company’s usual practices. The layoffs were officially announced during an all-hands meeting held the same morning. According to employees who attended the meeting, founder and CEO Henrik Fisker revealed that the large investor to whom the company owes money, along with the chief restructuring officer working on the investor’s behalf, pushed for more job cuts. Although Fisker has not publicly disclosed the identity of the investor, Henrik Fisker mentioned Heights Capital Management, an affiliate of Susquehanna International Group, during the meeting.

Estimates from current and laid-off employees suggest that only about 150 people remain at the company following the recent layoffs. This is not the first time Fisker has undergone significant workforce reductions. In February, the company announced a 15 percent cut in its workforce. As of April 19, Fisker employed 1,135 people, according to a regulatory filing. However, the company underwent additional rounds of layoffs in late April and late May, further reducing its workforce before Wednesday’s cuts.

Despite the widespread layoffs, Henrik Fisker maintained a somber yet determined tone during the call, as reported by sources. He acknowledged that the company had built “something great” and expressed the intention to continue selling the Ocean SUV to interested buyers. Fisker also suggested that laid-off workers might be re-hired once the company regains its footing.


Many employees discovered their termination after losing access to Microsoft services such as Teams and Outlook. Later, some received an email officially announcing their layoff, which included a one-week severance package. Laid-off employees shared similar accounts on LinkedIn.
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YESS! :space: It's MORE THAN TIME to slap down this type of law being perpetrated upon America ...one that has not at all been debated and voted on by The People;

Energy Business Groups Sue Biden Admin Over Electric Vehicle Mandate
NICK POPE June 13, 2024

Three coalitions of business interests are suing the Biden administration over its recently-finalized emissions standards for light- and medium-duty vehicles.

The coalitions — which include the American Petroleum Institute (API), the American Farm Bureau, the American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers (AFPM), numerous car dealers and more — filed suit in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit on Thursday morning to try to block the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) rules, which critics have characterized as an electric vehicle (EV) “mandate.” The regulations will require manufacturers to ensure that up to 56% of all new light-duty vehicle sales are EVs by model year 2032, according to the EPA.

“Today, we are taking action to protect American consumers, U.S. manufacturing workers and our nation’s hard-won energy security from this intrusive government mandate,” Ryan Meyers, API’s senior vice president and general counsel, said in a statement. “EPA has exceeded its congressional authority with this regulation that will eliminate most new gas cars and traditional hybrids from the U.S. market in less than a decade. We look forward to making our case in court.”

The lawsuit alleges that EPA overstepped its mandate in issuing the rules, which the complainants describe as “arbitrary, capricious, an abuse of discretion and not in accordance with law.” The tailpipe standards represent one of President Joe Biden’s biggest individual actions to date on his $1 trillion-plus climate agenda.

The EPA has also finalized stringent tailpipe emissions standards for heavy-duty vehicles, and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) locked in its own aggressive update to fuel economy standards on Friday.

Beyond regulations, the administration has also spent billions of dollars to advance EV production and adoption. However, despite these efforts, manufacturers have lost considerable amounts of money on their EV product lines while consumers generally remain hesitant to purchase electric models due to factors like concerns about EV range and charger availability.

“The EPA doesn’t have a leg to stand on where its gas car ban regulation is concerned, and we are going to make that case in court,” Rob Underwood, the president of the Energy Marketers of America, said in a statement. “This regulation is clearly bad for consumers as it will quickly and drastically restrict their ability to find and purchase affordable new gas cars. It’s bad for marketers of American-made liquid fuels and for U.S. energy security. And importantly, it’s also unlawful. EPA does not have authority under the law to do this.”
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"...consumers generally remain hesitant to purchase electric models due to factors like concerns about EV range and charger availability."...

And they don't even mention the length of time that it takes to charge the damn things or the fact that not all vehicles use the same kind of charger plug.

Even with a "fast charger" it takes 2 - 3 times as long to charge as it does to fill a 16 gallon gas tank.
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